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"Dodge has done with an Inline 6..."
I think Cummins had more to do with it than D-C did.
The engine is superb, no question, but it was also a LOT noisier and put far more vibration into the vehicle than did Ford or GM.
It's a shame the rest of the truck wasn't up to the same level of quality as the motor was.
Best of luck.
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Right off the bat, the disclaimer, I have not been in, or driven a diesel-powered Dodge newer than a 2004, so I will not pass judgement, from a personal perspective, on anything newer than that.
Having said that, I can hear a Dodge sitting at the lights next to me (with the windows rolled up) over the sound of my own truck, I cannot hear a gas truck unless it has aftermarket exhaust, etc., but then, I can't tell the vintage of the truck from that either.
The one I did both ride in, and drive, had a considerably noisier interior than mine, in fact a lot of the noise seeemed to be from things like wind (door & window seals?) and the handling was just, well, more 'truck-like' than I am used to, I mentioned it to the owner, who later that day asked for a ride in mine, we di, and even he agreed, the Ford was a nicer ride and quieter.
I have spoken to many Dodge owners, including a friend of mine who bought one out of guilt after doing a 6 figure repair job on a Dodge dealership after a fire they had in the service dept., he finally got tired of the little problems, etc., and traded it for another GM with over a year left on the lease.
I hear all the same complaints from Dodge owners, including one who works for me, little things, knobs break, everything is loose and vibrates after a few years, the fit & finsih is not there, etc....
Even the general public seems to agree, Ford still sells more F-series trucks, and by a good margin, than Dodge and GM does combined.
The best proof I can come up with is resale value, according to the best yardstick out there, what someone is willing to pay, Dodge is still 3rd in a 3 horse race.
Now, like I said, I have NOT been in a new Dodge, undoubtedly Daimler will have been cracking the whip, the jury is still out on how loud the 'crack' has been, sales volumes don't seem to bear it out yet. Modest increase, but nothing to write home about, yet.....
Best of luck.
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Sorry for the delay in answering, I had to get my rubber boots on and they were over at the farm.
Did I just read correctly?
"I have hauled loades from Vermont to Little Rock Ark and back many many times and with a LOAD, the Dodge rides better than the sagging Chevy or the moaning Ford."
"I have an 89 with well over 300,000 miles on it and it is still running and still looking good."
Is this the same 1/2 ton gasser you mentioned in the now famous "trailer" thread? The one that needs a WDH with 500 # of tongue weight?
Is this the same guy who calls the competition "cardboard hauler" and then goes on to say "Take a good close look at the F-150 sales for this year."
Let's stay on topic and out of the sales brochures, we were talking about diesel powered heavy duty pickups.
There are many, many members here who have large trucks, large trailers and hual over good distances and over all sorts of terrain. Let's stay to facts and experience.
I know a little about trailering too, in fact my fleet runs all across North America, and has for the past nearly 20 years.
As for silly statements like "Now I have heard nothing but Problems with Ford's 6.0L diesel and rumor has it, it may be discontinued." Rumours?? What about facts, of course it will be discontinued! Why would you continue to buy a Navistar when your own factories in Europe build a far superior engine??
Speaking of strange, it's strange that you don't mention the fact that Dodge's parent company builds a fantastic small diesel, but they don't put it in their own trucks, or that when they chose to bring the Mercedes cargo van, the replacement to the Dodge full-size, they DIDN'T give to D-C dealers to sell, it was only sold through Freightliner stores until they had all the bugs worked out.
Slop in front bearings? Come on now, who do you think is really gonna buy that one?
Who voids a warranty for putting a plow on a PROPERLY equipped truck? Ford hasn't to any of mine, not GM or Mitsubishi for any of my sub-contractors. In fact when I looked at putting a plow on my Hino the dealer said they would not only warranty it, but would give me a plow-equipped loaner if it ever broke down during a storm.
Finally, if I want a nice ride, I won't head for a 300C, my CLK430 rides nicer, so does my wife's Range Rover, and my Bimmer.
Best of luck.
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Wing, you sound like a ploitician here, you post long drawn out statement s that say nothing, just useless double talk hiding a lot of errors and wrong statements.
"Diesel is NOT going to give you any fuel savings." and "Your logic for buying a diesel is good. That is more than enough reason to seek a diesel. MPG is not there any more..." Are you trying to say that 2 similar-sized trucks, with similar HP, and both pulling identical heavy loads, but 1 gas and 1 diesel, will get the SAME MPG???
This is funny.
"When I brought up about the F-150 sales, I was giving reply to you OPEN statement." I never said anything about gas 1/2 tons, I was talking about heavy duty diesel trucks.
"Good for your wife's vehicles.. enjoy them." Didn't even read the words correctly did you, the only vehicle in my wife's name is the Rover.
"I towed a lot more than I was speced to towed with my 1500." and "The topic was really 3/4 ton and 1 ton to start with." in the same paragraph?
BTW, the problems with the 6.0 were solved, just like the early Dodges that you couldn't keep tranny's, brakes, front coils, or rear leaf springs in.
There's no busting chops here, no slanging, no personal attacks, "...will probably be posting pics of his wife's cars.", and "Murf you should spend less time on line and more time talking to your employees, maybe you could learn something. Other than Murf Theory.".
I do speak to my employees, and I take what they have to say very seriously, and often impliment ideas or solutions they have.
My time online should be of no concern to you, if my businesses are succesful enough that I have the time to be online what is that to you? I'm not sitting around bored stupid killing time waiting for a customer, and even if I was it still be none of your concern.
For the last time park the attitude and self-serving salesmans ramblings, not to mention the personal attacks.
Have a lovely day all......
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Question:
"Are you trying to say that 2 similar-sized trucks, with similar HP, and both pulling identical heavy loads, but 1 gas and 1 diesel, will get the SAME MPG???"
Answer:
"well Murf, down here in the states, they have "Border State Emissions" and that has pushed the MPG of diesels down from 24 and 25 mpg to 18 mpg. Maybe you don't have such laws there. Ok Fine, here we do.."
And, if re-elected, I promise .......
Mmmmm, yeah, like I said........
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